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I guess I should warn everyone up front: this review isn't going to be all "happy, happy, joy, joy." It's not going to be an angry rant - there's no point in doing such a thing, at least for me, because the show is over . . . and I didn't hate the episode. There were many things I really loved and/or appreciated. But the faults were just so . . . faulty . . . that I can't just ignore them. Not when this episode contains the final statement on this show's take on Superman's Origins and, quite frankly, my favorite versions of Clark Kent, Lois Lane and Lex Luthor to date (outside of the comics of course).

Right off the bat - and to get this out of the way - the framing device of Chloe reading the comic book to her son didn't work IMO. Maybe if I felt any sort of emotional connection to Chloe as a character it might have. Maybe I would have been able to let go of the fact that there is apparently a comic book out there in the SV Universe that tells pretty much everything about SVClark's journey to becoming Superman - published by DC Comics(?!?) - with the only thing being is that his name wasn't dropped. Though honestly, how stupid are the people in the SV world that they couldn't put two and two together with such a comic book like that out there?

I think the only reason the scene was done was to pay homage to the opening of the Richard Donner films, (as well as giving Chloe something to do). And the constant trying to pay homage to those movies is, quite frankly, where almost every problem in this episode came from.

And that leads me into the second point: The Lex mind wipe. Unlike many in fandom, I just can't fanwank this one. Tess said he would remember nothing. And a moment later, we see every moment from the Pilot right up until the fortress collapse at the end of season 7 flash across Lex's mind and burn away. I'm sorry, but there is no other way - for me - to read all this. Every memory from the Pilot up until the end of Arctic was erased from Lex's mind via deus ex machina Neurotoxin.

So, for me, the entire Luthor saga on SV was rendered pointless in that one moment. Yeah sure, Clark still remembers all of it, but so what? He's not going to try and fix it - he never wanted Lex to know his secret anyway . . . and for good reason apparently since Lex still turns into his ultimate opponent (according to Dr. Fate) without those memories. Meaning - get this - Lex was destined to be evil no matter what.

And this is, ironically, the exact opposite of what bugged me in Luthor - the idea that it was Lionel Luthor, and being raised by Lionel Luthor alone - that made Clark Luthor evil. I thought that episode, and what it said, pretty much validated all the Lex apologist who always blamed Clark for Lex truing into what he turned into and never held Lex accountable for his own actions. (Kent went a ways to correct that idea, I will say).

But now? Well, apparently, there was nothing that could be done. Lex was always going to be evil and Clark's enemy no matter what choices he made because of his life experiences. There was no free will involved at all. Story wise, Lex is evil, is the villain, because he's supposed to be. Not because any of his life choices took him there.

An yeah, I know the argument: Lex kept journals, there are records, etc. And if there was another season of the show, I'd let it go and sit back and wait to see what they did with it next season. But there isn't. So I can't.

And I can't help but think the only reason they did it was more Donner-film fanservice.

Look, Lois wasn't getting mind wiped. I was never in fear of that. Some in fandom thought she would, but the only reason they did so was because of Superman II, not because it made any sort of sense to do so. Lois in the comics has known the secret permanently for 20-odd years now. Had season 8 been the final season, I think Lois very well would have gotten mind wiped. But the show did something in season 9 that has always, in every modern age medium, been the prerequisite to Lois finding out and keeping the knowledge - and that's the triangle for two. Once the triangle happens and Lois picks either Clark or Superman, the two of them date a while and then, at some point, she finds out the truth. And she keeps the knowledge.

So that was one of the main reasons the character was spared a mind wipe. But I think the PTB wanted to do as much as they could to "line things up" (and do Donner homages) and, well . . . Lex just didn't have the same kind of loophole that Lois did. He's never, in any version, got to know Clark's secret permanently. When he finds out he always, at some point, gets his mind erased. And so, even though I think it undermined 7+ years of SVs new and original spin/take on the Clark-Lex dynamic? Lex got mind wiped. (Even though, according to some tweets, DC Comics never asked the SV PTB to do so).

I was really bored by the Luthor stuff this season. Frankly because, for me, Lex was the missing - and most important - character in all of it. He was the missing piece. So I was really looking forward to MR coming back, because I thought it would at least go out on a high note. And, up until that mind wipe, I pretty much got everything I wanted in that finale Clark/Lex scene and even the Lex/Tess scene.

But that said? I still can't shake the fact that, at the end of the day, it all just seems meaningless now.

Personally, I could have done without the CGI suit and CGI Superman. I would have been perfectly fine with Clark saving Air Force One and the world in his Blur outfit, and then just a shirt-rip at the end. But then, I'm a heretic who doesn't think the classic Superman costume actually fit the visual style of the show and wanted a classic suit design overall if they ever were going to show him in it. So I'm not at all mad that we didn't get a full, close-up shot of him in it or that it was far away CGI.

I will NOT go into Chloe being the only one to say Superman in context to Clark. If I do, I'll just head into rant mode, which I don't want to do. But she didn't name him - unless they seriously want us to think it took seven more years for a name change to happen.

And speaking of which . . . there is only one big fanwank I'll accept to the idea that it took Lois and Clark seven years(!?) to finally, officially tie the knot. (Aside from them both being extremely busy during the first year that Clark became Superman that is). And that is - The Death of Superman.

For real. I remember back in season nine saying there was no way the show would let Lois and Clark get married before that event happened, not even on SV. Not after the PTB went to all the trouble - sloppily - to get Doomsday buried in the exact same place he was buried in the comics that he first busted out of at the start of that story line. The Death of Superman was the best selling comic book of all time. And I just felt that no way, after doing everything they did at the end of season 8 to get Doomsday buried under that geothermal plant, the main event was never NOT going to happen in the SV world at some point. Meaning Lois and Clark on SV were just not going to be married until after that event happened, just like in the comics.

An idea I let myself let go of/forget the minute they got engaged half way though season 10.

I was one of those people who would have been totally fine with only an engagement at the end of the season. I thought it was too soon for them to get engaged, as I wanted to see more of them just being a couple and the issues that came from that (and as the second half of the season showed, there were issues).

That said, I can't totally hate on the fact that they did do a wedding. Frankly, until Lex came back, Lois and Clark were the one emotional constant for me in the episode. (Because, for the first time ever for me, I think the Kent family dynamic was stiff, weird and at times OOC. The loft scene still rather confuses me . . . though I did love Clark seeing Jonathan next to Martha as he and Lois walked down the aisle, as well as Martha's little glance at the place beside her in the pew as she first took her seat). Even the "no wedding!" stuff I knew wasn't really about them, so much as it was the show being meta - and giving a meta-answer - to all those people in comic book fandom who question, and are against, the Superman/Lois marriage. It's why we got Chloe, a character who has quite frankly, always viewed Clark as a god from them minute she learned his secret and tried to get him to act as such, being the one saying to Lois he wasn't a god. Chloe was basically used as a voice to give the counter-argument to the one made in Superman II that Clark/Superman shouldn't have a personal life.

The door scene was stellar and their vows to each other were beautiful and, yes, I get that for all intensive purposes, they were more or less emotionally joined and committed to each other, even if it may not have fully been legal. (Also because you can't have Superman "living in sin" with Lois for so long. It was quite clear in that 2018 scene that they were not only still together but still lovers as well).

But there was no logical reason for a seven year delay. Even with a Death of Superman scenario, I think a delay of three of four years is the longest I'd buy. And honestly, I think that, just like Lex, the reason for the length of delay was to pander to canon purists who say Clark shouldn't marry Lois until he's fully been Superman for some time. Just like why I think Clois got put on the back burner during the second half of the season - whining from (immature) fanboys. (AKA the same group who are now whining that Welling didn't really wear the suit).

Called the Lois on Air Force One thing the minute a spoiler leaked about a plane crash sequence. I was hoping we'd get a Superman Returns type moment when Lois would see him flying past one of the windows, but this was even better IMO. And I also love how all this actually tied into something that that lady mystic in the episode Crimson said: that Lois and Clark's destinies were more entwined then they realize. And it was here that it was proven true. Because of her known connection to The Blur, Lois was able to convince the Secretary of Defense to hold off on trying to nuke Apokolips and, instead, wait for "her hero." Because they waited, Clark's first act fully as Superman was to save Air Force One with Lois aboard before dealing with Apokolips. Lois, in turn, got an exclusive interview with the President where she more than likely confirmed it was the Blur who saved them; which makes both her and Clark world famous - her as a reporter (and fully becoming the Lois Lane) and him as a hero. We see Lois, in that moment, fully evolve into the Lois Lane, just as Clark fully evolves into the Man of Tomorrow.

And this is one, among many things, I will always love this show - and it's new take on the Superman story - for doing.

Called the Tess dying by Lex's hand back in season 8, when she first showed up. ;) Pity I wasn't as into the character anymore like I was back in season 8 thanks to inconsistent characterization in season 9 and her losing that "Mercy" spark she had during most of this season, but she at least went down and out fighting and, even if I hated the mind wipe, pulling that on Lex at the end was very clever. She's the Luthor that Clark was able to reach and that, too, I appreciate.

Darkseid. There is really nothing else I can say about how messy I think this whole story line has been all season. I do get, at the end, the Savior (Clark) vs. Satan (Darkseid) thing they were doing, and it would have worked - maybe - had I been more invested in it. News is a lot of the mythology of Darkseid got left on the cutting room floor. Which, IMO, just goes to show we didn't need the Chloe arc that was more or less nothing but redoing of movie plots, that should have been dedicated to fleshing out the Darkseid story instead.

Now that it's all over, I can't say I wish it wasn't. I always thought season 10 was the prefect place to end it, even last season (which I loved). When I think of SV now that it's over, I think the thing I'll appreciated most is the new takes it did on the characters of Clark, Lois and Lex and the relationships Clark had with each of them. There are many things I would love to see the comics take from this show - some of which they already have actually - when crafting these characters and these two dynamics in the future. I wont miss the inconsistent writing and pandering . . . or writers who obviously found the main character not as interesting as other side characters when I have felt the total opposite. But I will miss not being able to see Tom Welling, Erica Durance and Michael Rosenbaum playing these characters who truly are, for me, the Clark Kent, Lois Lane and Lex Luthor of this generation. They are the three characters that kept me interested and engaged with the show throughout all these years the most and, at the end of it all, they still were.

Date: 2011-05-18 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gildinwen.livejournal.com
I'm fanwanking the Lex mindwipe, as it being a temporary mid wipe. Because we saw his flashback of "memoria" being wiped away too. And that means his family life is being wiped away. And that makes no sense because frankly it takes away everything that made Lex, Lex. And I mean everything. From the time he was 9 to 28 (or whatever)

So I'm guessing he got his memories back. Because *that's* the only way in my mind, that he becomes eligable, to run for president. He's meteor infected remember, and it *is* our Lex...the only reason there were no scars on his head was because his meteor related healing kicked in and kept his brain alive.

Someone, suggested that it didn't wipe his memories,just put a blanket over them for a time being. I think that's what they were going for but they didn't execute it well.


Chloe....*sigh* I find it hilarious that they could only give here storylines from films and nothing really original, because for someone who's touted as the original character, (if you call taking aspects of Lois, Lana,and Barbara an putting them into one person) her ending was just, white picket fence with 2.4 kids. I don't believe she is married to Ollie.

It was nighttime when Chloe was putting her kid to bed. It's midday in Metropolis. Oliver is on the West coast. There is *no* way they are living together, it's just not possible. Again, this was one of those other things where we're supposed to believe one thing but the logistics.....don't add up.

As for eveything else. I agree. I just wish they'd have plans for some sort of T.V movie to tie up those loose ends for sure but they don't *sigh*

Date: 2011-05-18 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
I agree with almost all of this. I loved all the clois scenes, and even the final 7 year fast forward was well done IF it was taken out of context to what came before. I don't doubt their deep commitment to each other and the symbolism of the rings do not bother me. I've been married almost 20 years, we don't wear wedding rings, never have.

For me, it is the meta reasons which irritate me so much. There was abolutely no reason to end that way, the only reason? Playing to the Donner verse. That is it. Why in the world is he calling her "Miss Lane"? Many working at the Daily Planet were at the wedding 7 years ago (Jeff, the intern to name one). Clark grabbed and kissed Lois the first time in the Daily Planet bull pen. Stern called them on their relationship in Charade. So why this game? If I were a co-worker, I'd assume they were playing out a fetish in public.

It just made no sense at all to the Smallville narrative. I've said this before, I would have had Clark snap the ring box closed, then open it again and say "back from the cleaners, promise to never do that again Miss Lane?" (or Mrs Kent, whatever) She rolls her eyes, he laughs and puts the ring on her finger, they focus on the blue of his superman suit peaking his sleeve,the ring and her hand. Done. Superman put the ring on Lois's hand.

No reason not to do that at all. Except some ridiculous need to play to the Donner verse.

DC did not request the Lex mind wipe. I can not fathom why they did this. For me, Lex & Clark was what kept me through the Clana until Lois came in to the picture. So destroying the 10 years for absolutely no reason confounds me.

I never ever thought they would a mind wipe. Ever. I argued against it left and right on k-site. This? I was wrong. They did do a mind wipe. Just not to the character everybody who posted about it wanted it to happen too. I find that delicious in it's irony and I have to laugh. Be careful what you wish for people. You got your mind wipe, just not the way you wanted it. HA!

But as story telling device? Lazy and stupid. And for no reason at all but to line up to a 33 year old movie nobody asked them to do. Honestly? After seeing this? I do believe if they could have gotten away with wiping Lois's mind they would have done it. They just knew they couldn't do it. I think the AoS and the subsequent anger and backlash saved Lois from that fate.

CGI Superman? Foolish. Souders and Peterson should have never framed the season around the suit and earning it back. There was no reason to make the suit a focal point at all. They knew if they were going to be able have Welling in the suit or not, so I blame them for poor story telling choices/devices.

The flying planet coming toward us? Boom tubes people. But I won't go in to that.

I loved Lois reading Clark's vows, the door scene and the aisle scene. Just loved those. I loved that Clark and Lois had almost word for word conversation walking down the aisle that Clark imagined with Lana in the Pilot. Take that Clana. LOL

And I loved those vows. Very sweet and true to them.

I just hated the Donner obsession, they ended not true to Smallville at all, but instead, imho, made the journey pointless. Especially with Lex's mind wipe.

I won't even talk about Chloe, Chlollie and the kid. I was angry, I feel a lot more peaceful about this. Though I can't watch old Clex scenes because well, what is the point?

Hostage to the Donner Verse

Date: 2011-05-18 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
As I said above..The rings within the story were not the problem for me. As I said, I don't wear a wedding ring, been married almost 20 years. I never changed my last name. I kid with my children, there are no outward signs (other than they both look a lot like me) that I am part of the family when we go out as a group. My name is different, no ring. I could run at any moment. They roll their eyes at me, I embarrass them with my super hero shirts and the dumb things I say. I remember feeling that way once upon a time..

After a lot of reflection on why I was so enraged following the finale. I've finally distilled it down.

DONNER VERSE! I didn't like it when I saw Superman 1 at the theater when I was 14. And I've been waiting since then for people to move past this. I guess I have to wait a little longer. Maybe it will never happen in my lifetime.

Smallville became another live action treatment held hostage to the Donner verse. 2-1 (SR, SV to LnC) And for no reason at all.

And even though it wasn't Lois who was mind wiped. They used that mind wipe tripe. I was hoping this would put an end to that stupid canard and next time anybody said mind wipe, Smallville could be held up as a beacon!

That mind wipe stain would be removed. Because Smallville did carry a lot of movie water (unlike LnC), and I was hoping they would end it showing it was possible to take some of the good things and take it in their own direction.

The end with the Miss Lane schtick was just ridiculous because the ONLY reason it was there was the Donner verse. It was completely out of place to the tv show. And made no sense at all.

Their commitment, the actual marriage (I mean come on, they're married, the vows were lovely, not exchanging rings doesn't change that they took their vows in front of witnesses and a magistrate. COME ON. They didn't sign the certificate after all the hoopla? I call foul. )

No, what angers me about all of this is it was all about making the ending as true as possible to the Donner Verse. And I don't think this was Geoff Johns doing. Because as much as he loves Donner and is great friends with him, and brought back the bumbling, he also modernized it and didn't regress by having Lois be the punchline. One of my favorite scenes is that final scene between Clois on the couch in Booster. It was an answer to all the stupid charges thrown at Lois over the years and I loved it.

So why end this way? DC didn't ask for it. But yet again held hostage to the Donner verse. It was silly.

Re: Hostage to the Donner Verse

Date: 2011-05-18 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
Agreed to playing like a fetish. BUT there are deeper issues for me. It looked to me as if Lois and Clark were pretending to be just acquaintances with that "Miss Lane" thing and Lois saying "can it Clark, nobody is looking". What? This is the answer to that lovely scene in Booster? The "what will people think about you?" question? They pretend NOT to be together? That makes no sense to me. Does Lois ignore Clark in public? That was my uncomfortable feeling?

So even though Lois knew, and I know they're married and come on, they're marred, no way that first wedding wouldn't be legal, all they needed was a witness and the minister to sign the certificate, they took their vows in front of everyone. I was left feeling WHAT? We're back to playing this game? Who do people think she's engaged to? How does she treat Clark in public?

In the current verse, it is with respect. She took his arm in Secret Origin and walked out with him. Why here are they pretending to not be on first name basis? Other than the fetish. Which I agree, I think the planet staff must think they're playing out in public.

Hell, Jonathan Kent only got killed in season five because of Donner worship/trying-to-align-with-Donner. So he got brought back here, with some scenes that worked and some that didn't, because of that mistake that was made years ago.

Al & Miles only ever knew the Donner films when it came to all of this, which accounts for them always pulling things from the movies. But the show, especially in the later Blur years, really should have dropped that stuff and not looked back. Even if I did love the fact that Tom's Clark and Erica's Lois got to have the John Williams Superman/Lois Love Theme played over their final scene together.

Yes. Exactly. This. A thousand times this.

Maybe Man of Steel will finally put a kabosh on all the Donner worshiping. Maybe.

I hope so. I'm NOT getting any younger. I was happy when I read the MoS folks really liked Birthright and Secret Origin. So while I'm expecting some bumbling, I am not expecting Lois to be Kidder-esque. For me, if MoS gets rid of that silly "Miss Lane" dynamic and Lois treats Clark with respect and an equal like she did in Birthright and Secret Origin, I will be very very very very happy!

oh and the flying planet

Date: 2011-05-18 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
There are no words.

I started to yell "BOOM TUBE" (a lot faster and easier then relocating the planet..) then realized, whatever.

Didn't the Air Force One people say the President was in a bunker? Then all of a sudden he appears in front of Lois when she's talking about the rescue? Of was that the wine clouding my memory! ;^)

Re: oh and the flying planet

Date: 2011-05-18 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
The New Gods mythology was so mishandled, it is hard to know where to begin.

And I'd have taken a test pattern over the Chloe/Oliver nonsense.

Date: 2011-05-19 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrey229.livejournal.com
Well, you and I have already talked about the finale at length so you know how I feel at this point.

It's odd because I liked the finale a lot. I think I liked it more than you did. It hit all the emotional notes that it needed to hit for me. That being said, I don't necessarily disagree with any of your issues with it. And I guess that's kind of odd because it might seem as though because I agree with pretty much everything that you said that I didn't like the episode much and that's not true.

I completely understand why people are upset about the Lex mindwipe. And I completely agree that the entire situation left some serious plot holes. And yet...I know it sounds insane....but when it happened...there was a part of me that felt as though it was the greatest kind of poetic justice. I loved the Clark/Lex dynamic. I think one of the things that fascinated me the most was that Lex coveted Clark so badly. He coveted everything about him. He wanted to love him and he wanted to be him and he wanted to steal everything he had and he loved him so badly and coveted him so badly that it grew into hate. There was something very poetic, to me, to see what Lex treasured and coveted so deeply--Clark---taken away from him in that moment with Tess. I know that probably makes no sense. And I totally understand why other people had a problem with it. It's funny because I told my husband about the controversy with Lex because I was curious about what he thought. As i've told you, he's a Smallville fan but he's never been on the boards so he really has no idea what the fandom thinks about these things. And he said that he thought it was kind of cool. He saw it the same way I did. I'm not saying this is the right way to see it. But it's just interesting that we watched it together and we both came away feeling like it was poetic justice that what Lex ultimately loved the most--Clark--was taken away. I also picture in my mind this idea that the memories aren't gone for good and that Lex discovering the truth and uncovering those memories will be a constant source of stress in the future for Clark. I could even see Lex remembering at some point in the future and concealing from Clark that he knows. The possibilities are playing out in my mind. That being said, I do not begrudge people who hated it.

I love the "Ms Lane" role play. I think it's sexy as hell. I LOVE it when he calls her that in the comics. One of my favorite scenes from the comics is the issue (I believe on Valentine's Day) where Clark and Lois basically act out the terrace scene from Superman the movie but they are obviously already married and they are only doing it because it turns them on.

I also remember Kevin Smith had a lot of that stuff in his Superman script. He had a kink for him calling her Ms. Lane and for them pretending not to know each other because it turned them on.

And I admit...it's one of my major Clois kinks. I think it's hot.

I totally understand the very legitimate questions about how they were behaving at the Daily Planet and I totally agree that it was odd that he called her Mr. Lane the FIRST time around. I guess, to me, he was playing with her right from the beginning---playing up the bumbling act. And the reason she said " can it" was basically to say, "You don't have to pretend to be a dork right now. You can be suave. No one is looking."

I think the biggest mistake the show made over and over again was pandering.

Date: 2011-05-19 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
I love the "Ms Lane" role play. I think it's sexy as hell. I LOVE it when he calls her that in the comics. One of my favorite scenes from the comics is the issue (I believe on Valentine's Day) where Clark and Lois basically act out the terrace scene from Superman the movie but they are obviously already married and they are only doing it because it turns them on.

I also remember Kevin Smith had a lot of that stuff in his Superman script. He had a kink for him calling her Ms. Lane and for them pretending not to know each other because it turned them on.

And I admit...it's one of my major Clois kinks. I think it's hot.

For me it's not the role playing that bugs me. I love that Valentine Day comic story, but it is Superman who meets her on that roof and they are role playing their early "Miss Lane" days. She the awed reporter and he the smitten superhero. It is not just hot, I think, but really really sweet.

One of my favorite relationship stories is Superman 654 by Kurt Busiek where Clark is rushing around all day as Superman. He gets in trouble as Clark Kent, Lois saves him by finishing his stories. And during all this they are trying to celebrate an important anniversary.

What is that? The first time he took her flying. I just loved that scene and the way Busiek wrote Clark's thoughts about that day.

So those early "Miss Lane" days are very important to them, especially the Superman angle.

And I agree, when Lois said "can it", Clark completely reverted to his normal self, Lois even said "that is so hot" when he said it again. So yes, they love the interplay. And I think it has to do with Clark calling her that as Superman. He called her when he first talked to her as the Blur.

That isn't the "Miss Lane" schtick that bugs me. It is the Disguised Clark Kent calling her that for absolutely no reason. They've been working together for how many years? They're engaged, soon to be married. Why is Disguised Clark Kent calling her that? Are they pretending to be passing acquaintances at work? That just made absolutely no sense at all and to me was only there because of the 1978 movie, it was completely out of place for Smallville.

But when Superman says it? You bet. I see why and he does call her that in the comics sometimes. And when Lois said "can it" he became himself and that Miss Lane, to me, was Supermanly. And I totally agree, it is their kink.

Date: 2011-05-19 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrey229.livejournal.com
I don't disagree at all that the first time he said it as bumbling Clark was weird.

I just really liked it when he said it the second time. To me, that was the callback to their first few conversations as Lois and the Blur when they were playing out the Superman/Lois vibe over the phone. I really loved that.

I have no idea why he did it the first time around. I'm not sure if the writers want us to think that they are keeping their relationship secret (which is stupid since we know that is not how it goes in the mythos) or if he just got caught up in the moment and was playing her right from the beginning.

my opinion

Date: 2011-05-19 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
Is they wanted to play off the beginning of the Superman 1 where Clark and Lois don't know each other. Never mind it made no sense to Smallville

I don't think he was playing the first time because Lois then said "Can it Clark, nobody is watching" So he was doing that for show. Then as soon as she said that, he looks around then says "Miss Lane" again in a completely different tone, which is when Lois says it's hot, and they look like they want to rip each other's clothes off then and there.

I didn't mind the second time because there was a reason for it and it was played as a fetish. It was the first time that really bugged me because of the implications and of course the need to do everything the Donner way.

Date: 2011-05-19 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrey229.livejournal.com

I agree 100% that the Clois was pushed to the background in the second half of the season because of the immature fanboy pandering and bitching. And I absolutely think that the only reason they didn't have the rings in 2018 was to pander to that exact same crowd.

The irony, to me, is that I have yet to encounter even one of those fans who I think actually UNDERSTAND Superman---what he stands for, who he is--what makes him a hero. The ShoE guys are different. They are mature. They get it. They understand Superman and Clark. But the majority of those boys that post on Ksite or Twitter and bitch and moan about the "mythos" and the "suit" etc. know virtually nothing about Superman. So seriously....if you are trying to pander to them....you are not gonna have the right result.

One of the tell tale signs that I'm going to tune a person out is when they says, "Us comic fans want this but the show is obsessed with shippers." You know what immature 15 year olds?? There are a shitload of comic fans who care deeply about the relationships both in the comics and on the show. Stop trying to pretend that there is a universal way to be a mythos fan. There's not. And caring about the relationships within the source material and how they translate on the show doesn't make a person any less of an authentic mythos fan. I grew so tired of that shit by the end. And THAT is the group that the show tried to pander to with the Lex mindwipe and with Clois not having the rings.

That is also the group that is treating Tom Welling like absolute crap right now and I can't stand it. It makes me sick. It's disgusting behavior and frankly....I'll be blunt: I think all those immature little boys could learn a thing or two both from Clark Kent the character---the character they claim to love so much---AND from the class act who has portrayed him for the last 10 years about what it really means to be a man. There I said it.


Date: 2011-05-19 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisas100.livejournal.com
Yes, I agree. The no rings and the Lex mind wipe were to pander to that crowd. And that enrages me.

Removing Lex's memories to me was the deal breaker. I thought it was a very cheap and lazy thing to do all to pander to mythos whiners.

I am convinced if they thought they could have gotten away with it, they would have mind wiped Lois. I've said this before, but in retrospect, I believe the AoS ended up saving Lois from that fate. They saw the reaction to P/R, Durances fans were very vocal and I think that was a surprise to tptb. This outed the Lois fans and in turn made "us" a force to be reckoned with. I think they weighed their options.

Nope, can't mind wipe Lois, so we'll have that odd game on the stairwell where it looks as if they are pretending not to know each other, and look, no rings until he's Superman. Never mind it makes no sense at all to the story. We'll just do it.

Okay, we can mind wipe Lex, but not until Lex and Clark have their conversation, because that would remove all emotional resonance. So we'll remove the memories AFTER he's had his scenes with everybody. Fast forward and all of a sudden he is in that white suit (SQUUEEEEE fanboys, SQUEEEEEE) and President. How? Amnesiac found with a dead body? Right. Please.

So Lex is just inherently evil? Which contradicts the message in Luthor that being found by Lionel was enough to turn Clark in to a psychopath, never mind Jor-El said that already he could see Kal-El had his mother's compassionate nature.

The pandering encapsulated everything wrong for me with this show. They follow through their own story. They ignore inconvenient plot lines (Lana? Where the heck is she? Oh she wasn't in the 1978 movie, so who cares?! And voila, Jimmy! Wait? He looks a little old to be Jimmy and what? He is the exact replica of his dead brother).

I really feel there was a much better story left untold.

Date: 2011-05-19 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrey229.livejournal.com
And frankly....if the show didn't have the money or resources to make a suit that was going to look expensive and look good on him and truly fit him...I wouldn't blame him if he wasn't so sure he wanted to wear it anyway.

But the people blaming him entirely for the way the suit was handled in the finale? Completely uncalled for. Immature. Disgusting. I can't come up with enough adjectives. It's just as bad, to me, as the people who have bashed Durance for the last 7 years.

Date: 2011-05-19 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrey229.livejournal.com
What did Caroline Dries say????

Date: 2011-05-19 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrey229.livejournal.com
So yeah...the Tom bashing that is going on? Not happy about that. At all.

I honestly can't say enough how much I love Tom and how much I hope I see him on my screen again soon. I will miss seeing that gorgeous face on my screen every week. :(

Another unpopular opinion....I liked Chloe in the finale. I thought she was cute and likable. If she had been written like that for the last 3 years I'd probably have a lot less issues with her.

I thought the comic book was cute despite all the issues with Clark's identity.

The only thing that really bugged me was that I did think it was a slap in the face that she was the only one to call him Superman.

Lois should have named him onscreen. If they were obsessed with the Donnerverse (which they clearly were) that was one of the things from that world that absolutely should have been in the episode on the screen. That was not cool.

But outside of the whole "Superman" thing--I thought Chloe was cute in the episode.

I also really loved the scene where Clark talked Ollie down.

Date: 2011-07-02 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gildinwen.livejournal.com
After Watching X-Men:FC I'm even more bitter about what happened with the CLex. Because you know??? If SV had, had the balls to let Lex remember then they would have been original and unique in their re-telling of the Clex relationship. How the hell does Connor fit into the equation when Lex doesn't even know he has a kid?

I'm desperately hopeing that a comic book, or a continuation comes out, because this is bugging and I can't enjoy old Clex scenes anymore because what is the actual point? And Synder? Not exactly filling me with joy......just how many people are in this thing again???

We had a set up for tragic, complex and twisted relationship but now it's all moot.


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